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Help! (New Tank)

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Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 05:10 pm
About 2 weeks ago I found a fish tank in are shed I cleaned it up and went out bought gravel a clear free filter and some fake plants... about a day after I added water and set up the take I bought 4 black mollies, 2 orange mollies, 2 bearded cats, 3 swordtails. I have a 10 gal tank. Well around 2 weeks later all my swordtails where dead and 1 of my orange mollies died. I went to the local pet shop bought some more mollies and around 10 guppies and 5 neons. Then a molly died and I went to take it back and was told I had high ammonia levels and pH levels. Went out bought the test kits and stuff and I am trying to fix the pH and ammonia problem. While I was doing this my orange molly had puffy lips and I used fungus eliminator and he's doing ok, well. So now I have around 11 mollies, 10 guppies, and 10 neon's, 2 beared cats. I also bought a water sprit{plant}. Well my question is where did I go wrong I never had a freshwater tank before. Please tell me what I did wrong and how I can fix it, to where my mollies don't die.



Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 07:00 pm
Michael, SLOW DOWN! all tanks must go through a bacterial cycle before they are able to safely house fish. This process takes between four and six weeks and until then the tank cannot support any but the hardiest of fish. For now see if you can return all but a couple of the mollies. Please read the "genesis" section of the site it will explain the cycle and give you time frames and charts to help you along. Give it read and then re-post here if you have any questions



Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 07:04 pm
Thanks, but its my hard luck that the return time ran out if they happen to die I'm going to wait and do it by the time line on your site.



Monday, February 18, 2002 - 09:00 am
Badman isn't talking about if they die. He is asking you to return them "BEFORE" they die. Just call the LPS, tell them what you have done, and I am sure as long as there is no disease in your tank, they will be happy to save these fish from certain demise. If they will not take them back, you would be wise to find a new LPS as they don't know any more than you do about a new tank set up. I am not trying to be mean here, but it just irks the daylights out of me that an LPS would sell you this many fish at one time in the first place. Especially if you told them this was a new tank (which on buying a filter and other items for the tank, they should have asked!)



Monday, February 18, 2002 - 10:01 am
I called the LPS and they told me to bring in as many of the fish that I wanted so I put all the mollies in a big jar and they said they chouldnt take them because one of them seems to have white spotts wich i noticed when i bought them. so now I'm stuck with my fish I pray they live. the spots I think is just because its a mixed fish no other ones had it but i tried telling him that. looks like I'm out of LPS's both of them know jack about jack.



Monday, February 18, 2002 - 08:24 pm
Michael, the white spots that your LPS was speaking of was probably ich. Do the spots look like white grains of salt? This is a parasite that attacks fish, and if one fish has the spots, it means that your entire tank is infected with it and the others will probably start showing signs of it. The LPS will not take back diseased fish. The main cause of this is stress. You are probably going to have more problems as ich will attack the rest of your fish, and in order to get rid of it, you will probably have to treat. And treating a brand new tank with stressed fish is going to make matters much worse.

You are between a rock and a hard place indeed. If the ich was present on the fish when you bought him, then you also need to learn how to tell the difference between a healthy fish and one that is sick. You can learn about ich and how to treat at Badman's main site, but I would say for the time being you are going to have to cut your losses, and deal with this tank full of fish the best you can. I really don't see a good outcome here. Don't buy any more fish, even if all of them die, until you know what you need to do to provide a safe and healthy environment for them.



Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:24 am
Thanks kick for that out put but its more of a color than salt it goes like a big white blob from the top and little white spots to the mid section then theres some on the fin and tail fin so I think its more like color than ich from what the pictures show. none of the other fish have it and this one fish is as happy as can be. you know how they shake when the mollies are stressed well i watch him about 2 hours a day and never have seen him do this. i've seen others doing this so on pay day i'm going to buy that sea salt to help them out. thanks again kick



Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:58 am
You do not want sea salt. This is too strong for freshwater fish. It might be okay for the mollies, but the others will not be able to handle it. What you want is "freshwater" aquarium salt. Generally, it comes in what looks like a milk carton.

From the sounds of what you are telling me, it may be fungus that you are looking at. The salt may help this but you may need some fungus eliminator. However, try the salt first as with this new tank, like I mentioned above, adding this medication and that medication may cause more problems than you already have. Good luck on trying to keep all these fish alive.



Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:58 pm
Kick, your allot of help thanks again and as the fish go i think they will thank you. i'm going to try all I can to keep these fish alive I bought a new 10 gal tank to day with a filter heater and all the works and I plan on cycling this one with tetras and a catfish or 2 untill that one is fully cycled I'm going to try and keep these fish alive.



Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 08:05 am
Michael, I assume you are talking about moving the neons and one cat that you already have to this new tank and certainly not going to buy other fish for it.

Good luck on trying to save these guys. You are moving in the right direction.



Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:35 pm
Hi Michael,

It seems that you have way too many fish for those tanks, especially when you're cycling it. Start out with 1 or 2 until the tank cycles, then when that's done, keep only about 5 or 6 inches of fish at the most. Don't forget, you may have a 10 gallon tank, but when youadd the substrate and plants, you may only have 7 gallons of water. Don't forget, smaller tank doesn't necessarily mean smaller fish, as the small ones tend to be very active and need room to swim around in


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