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Neon vs. Cardinal, plus info on tiger barbs, zebra danios and tank size?

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Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 09:43 am
I am just getting started again and I have a well planted ten gallon tank with driftwood and gravel subsrate. Which would be a more suitable fish: neon or cardinal? also, would tiger barbs (six or more) get along with the tetras?
Also, does anyone know if zebra danios get along with the above fish? and how many small fish could happily live in a ten gallon tank?



Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 10:03 am
I've never kept tigers, but tetra and danios are pretty fast and probably can stay out of the way. Danios swim at the top of the tank for the most part and tiger and tetras are more mid-swimmers, so you may have a little more competition combining the tetra and tigers.Countwise maybe 12 neon or cardinal if you only go with the neons (maybe you could even slip in a small cory cat to clean up leftovers).Danios and tiger have a little more mass, so probably closer to ten. Until the tank is cycled (about 5 weeks)don't add more than about three fish. Then just add 2-3 per week afterwards.



Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 10:06 am
Actually danios get a little over two inches, so I'd be a little careful on my numbers. Maybe 6 plus a cory cat would be a better guesstimate.



Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 02:51 pm
i have zebra danios and neon tetras in a ten gallon tank and they get on fine. The neon tetras seem to enjoy my plants- hiding in them. The neons do tend to stay near the bottom/middle. and the zebra danios near the top. They are both lovely fish especially the danios who are very active. (They love frozen food-especially bloodworms)



Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 11:44 pm
I'd be cautious of the tiger barbs in the 10 gallon. With tiger barbs, you generally want either a species tank with only tiger barbs, a larger community type tank where you can have at least 6 or 7 tiger barbs, or a larger tank with other larger semi-aggressive fish (such as some of the other larger barbs, silver dollars, and a whole host of other fish...basically nothing big enough to eat them or aggressive enough to chase and kill them). IN a 10 gallon, if you like tiger barbs, those would be all I do in the tank.

As for the neons and cardinals, there's really not much of a difference. The cardinals, I believe, as said to prefer slightly warmer water, but other than that, are basically identical to neons in care, hardiness, size, etc... I'd just stick with one or the other, all neons or all cardinals. On a side note, a lot of the customers I talk with like the cardinals better than the neons because the color on cardinals (red and blue stripes) runs across the entire body, while with the neons, the red stripe runs about half the body length, and the blue runs the other half...not a big deal, but just an observation.

Danios and cardinals/neons shouldn't be a problem.

If I was you, I'd probably start out with three danios, and wait 4-6 weeks...or longer before adding your next three fish. Danios are nearly bullet proof, and are a good starter fish.



Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:22 am
For starting up a 10 gallon I would recommend:
* 3 Corys
* at least 5 neons or cardinals
* and if you want danios, then maybe 3 of them

If you really want tiger barbs, then don't have neons or cardinals. You could probably still have cories and danios though. Tiger barbs are very, ahem, 'playful' and active. They like their space. So a 10 gallon might not be quite big enough for them. But you can give it a go if you want. But don't put tigers and neons or cardinals together in such a small tank - the little tetras are easy targets for the barbs to pick on.



Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:26 am
And on the topic of neon vs. cardinal. I would go for neon, but that's only because neons are so much cheaper than cardinals around here! Some poeple may prefer the longer red stripe on the cardinals, but other than that they are very similar. There is a lot of debate about whether neons are hardier than cardinals or not - I don't really know the answer to this question. It's really a matter of personal preference.



Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 02:10 am
Each and every tank is different. I have a 46g tank with completely screwy community. I have 5 tiger barbs, 2 angelfish, 3 paradise blue gouramis, 1 pearl gourami, 1 red tail shark, 1 rainbow shark, 1 pictus catfish, and three plecos. A 10 gallon tank should only be used for small community fish like the tetra family. Please note that tiger barbs will grow to 2". The waste load of that many tiger barbs in that small of a tank will float them within a week.



Sunday, March 24, 2002 - 07:43 am
I wouldn't say that cardinal are necessarily any easier to keep than neon, but cardinal don't get NTD. I thought that was one point in their favor. I kept both and had about the same mortality rate!



Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 03:04 pm
Go for the neons, Cardnals suffer from a disease called Cardinal, which is brought on by stress and is uncurable, also cardinal tetras are a bit finicky when it comes to pH, hardness, etc.



Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:43 am
What book did you find this weird disease in?I have tons of Aquarium fish magazines and a few books on fish disease and never heard of such a thing. I agree they are picky about water conditions, but need some reference to back up any disease called 'cardinal'?



Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:55 am
BTW Pleistophora hyphessobryconis is actually the proper term for NTD so it is really not a joke.



Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 07:18 pm
I have 5 tiger barbs in a 29gal and they get along fine with other active fish (rainbows and clown loaches and a rosy barb)
i would not reccomend them for a 10gal though, even by themsleves. this is what i started them out in and they werent' very happy. 10 gal is just too small for these active fish. they are very*very hardy though.
i think the danios would do pretty well though and will be great to cycle the tank as they are hardy as well, and maybe a few platies for some color? just a suggestion;)
good luck



Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:36 pm
I have never heard of "cardinal" disease either, and would be curious what's meant by that?

Anyway, I have kept both neons and cardinals for about 10 years, and would say I've had a fair amount of experience with both.. I can rarely remember a time when I didn't have a school in at least one of my tanks. From what I've experienced, I've found that it's hard to generalize, and depends largely on the batch or the individual... but if I were forced to generalize, I'd say that cardinals are usually hardier fish. Joyce is correct that they don't succumb to NTD. In addition, because neons ARE so readily available, this actually causes problems, because some have been inbred and there are problems with spinal curvature and a few other congenital anomolies. This is not to condemn the species as a general, because you can very often find healthy fish of both species if you find a reliable source. It should be kept in mind that both fish are very closely related, and within the same genus.

With NTD itself, I've had a battle with it once 2 years ago, and believe me, it is about as horrible as diseases go. There's no real dependable cure, and it will wipe out a whole school of neons in no time; not just cleanly, but it's pretty miserable to watch (they get the characteristic clearish brown bottom line, and then some get start to bloat). Not to scare everyone from this fish, but it is a concern that's growing with breeding practices getting worse. Neither the neon nor the cardinal is a great beginner's fish, because both are fairly sensitive to water conditions.



Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 04:38 pm
lol, I totally forgot I posted this, but just to let you guys know, I now have 4 peppered corys, 3 neon tetras and 2 dwarf gouramis in my tank. If I add anything it will be a couple more neons, to make the shoal complete. Thanks for all the help!!


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