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    Algae help continued...

    Hi, this is continued from the old board. A summary:
    10 gallon tank 3 months old w/ plastic plants
    cloudy water which appeared after about 1 month.
    1 dwarf golden gourami, 1 tiger barb, 2 tetras, and a crab.
    Greenish brown algae appeared aprox. 1.5 weeks ago.

    I had 2 rocks in my tank that I had put in my tank at the very beginning and took them out 3 days ago. If the rocks were causing the problem how long would it take for the cloudiness to go away? There is also algae on my plastic plants. Is it okay to try to clean them in the tank (with a toothbrush) or should I take them out, give them a good cleaning, and then put them back in? Thanks for any additional help!
    PS- I'm still feeding once every other day.

  • What kind of filter do you have? If you had an aquaclear mini or any other kind with a filter basket adding carbon might clear up your water a bit. I take out my plastic plants and clean them occasionally. Sometimes when they get old and tacky looking I have replaced them. Do not use any soap or anything toxic to the fish when you clean them!!! Might want to just scrub hard in water.

  • Jay..gads now I starting to feel bad for you..well lets start with the cloud in your tank...could be just a bacterial bloom again..what's it look like? test your water again Ok...the algae on your plastic plants...hope it isn't black and slimy NOT wash any of them out in your tank...especially listen to what Joyce said..get them out and clean them up real good in a mild bleach solution then rise them off thoroughly with water,then put them back in your tank....

  • Okay. I don't have a hood on my tank yet, if that matters at all. My water has been cloudy for a long time (about a month) and I've been trying different things to make it clear. Way back when I had shells in my tank which might have been causing the cloudiness. But I took those out and did a partial water change and it didn't go away. So I took out some of the large rocks in my tank thinking it might be them and did another partial water change. And just now I took out the last 2 rocks (besides the gravel on the bottom) to see if THAT would work. (All of that was over the period of about a month) Joyce, I have a regular, cheap, hang off the back, waterfall, carbon filter. I took my water to get tested at my LPS and that lady said that I had too many nitrates in the water and to cut my feeding to once every other day. That was about 2 weeks ago. It was a couple days after I cut back the feeding that the algae appeared, it's the first time I have EVER had algae in the tank. Jeff, what if the algae is black and shiny looking? What does that mean? (I don't think my algae fits that description, just curious) I'll clean the plants really well this weekend. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for all your help.

  • jay...sorry but I was just hoping you didn't have blue-green algae in there as well...high nitrate levels can cause algae blooms so do some a water changes like 30%...Your rocks might be fine( do you know what kind they are)..I think you did the vinegar test on them as while back so if they are stable...keep them...Heck you have to have a nice looking tank right?....and hey have you tested your tap water directly?..Also your own test kit is certainly in order...

  • Jay sometimes you have to just put up with a little algae as long as it doesn't get way out of hand. It is actually a natural thing in the aquarium...we just hate how it looks. Keep changing your carbon on a regular basis (should say on the package how often) that should clear up your cloudiness as long as you are not feeding too much. I know they look hungry, but they should consume your food in about 3 minutes or less and not more than twice a day. If your Lfs person said to go every other day for awhile that is fine until you get your nitrates down. The best way to get rid of algae is to do the live plant thing and have them competing for your extra nutrients. Most of the fish that eat algae are rather large for a small tank. I am not sure how large your tank is? Sometimes platies or swords will pick at it on your artificial plants, but not on the glass or gravel. Make sure you don't use chemicals in your tank with phosphate listed. It will increase your algae.

  • I see in your post that it is 10 gal and that is too small for a pleco or Siamese algae eater.

  • Good advice joyce...Algea control is all nutrient control...we all balance it every day..

  • Jay....hey, I'm back I can't the cloudiness green, or is it a whitish cloudy?...

  • Hi
    I've been to badman's board before but its been a while since my last visit so I thought I'd reintroduce myself, I'm Kelsey.
    welp, about your cloudy tank, with my 30 gal, it took about a month after it was set up and had fish in it to start getting cloudy, that was in February and it just got crystal clear the past couple of weeks, so it took about 2 months for it to clear up, but it did on its own, I just feed the fish a very little bit each time, a few times a day and did 10-15% biweekly water changes.
    Anyway I thought it was algae because it wasn't the whitish/ cloudy it was green, but whatever the cause everything cleared up.
    Hope you can work things out, time may be the only solution.

  • Hi all. I checked and the algae on the plants is definitely not blackish. It looks the same color as the stuff on the sides of my tank. I wouldn't say that it is blue-green, it is dark green or light brown. My tanks isn't THAT cloudy, it just isn't very clear either. It isn't that noticeable unless I look in the side of the tank and stick my hand on the other side you can tell that it's cloudy. Yeah Jeff, you remember correctly. I did the vinegar test on my rocks before I put them in. But I was told that something else might be leaching from the rocks. So I took them out just to be safe. My tank looks pretty crappy right now. Only 4 fish and 4 plants (plastic). I'm not concerned how it looks yet. Once I get the slight cloudiness and algae growth under control then I'll worry about aesthetics. Joyce, my filter has a little overflow thingy where the plastic intake tube goes up into the actual filter area. When this part overflows is when you're supposed to change the filter. It takes pretty long for this to happen, usually at least a month. Should I be doing filter changes more often? Is there any sure way to tell if the filter needs changing? I'm also using some "filter aid" which you put in your filter which is supposed to clear up the water. It doesn't seem to be working too well though. Is it okay to introduce new fish to my tank or should I wait until everything is figure out? If it's okay to add fish, any suggestions for pretty, easy maintenance fish for a 10 gal tank? Jeff, I think my tap water is pretty good. My house has a water big unit on it that takes out radon and softens the water (takes out Mg (manganese) and Fe (iron)). Do you still think I should get the tap water tested? Thanks again for all your help, I really really appreciate it. I trust you guys a LOT more than the person at my LPS.
    PS- Sorry for the long post again :-)

  • jay...remember I asked about your tap water and substrate before?...Did you have any luck with the diatoms(brown algae)...Did you try any of the suggestions?....A long time ago we mentioned about problems you may experience with the weird and you are getting the idea...If the water in just cloudy and kinda milky looking it's probably just an algae will go away...test your water tap and tank...don't overfeed,keep your nitrate levels down,do your water changes and see what happens...small tanks can be hard to stabilize...I certainly can share your frustration....

  • I am not too familiar with your filter type. If it gets a little dirty and you don't think it is ready to change you can always rinse it in your TANK water. If you rinse it in tap you may kill off some bacteria and right now you definitely need those guys. You can rinse directly in the tank or if too messy put a little tank water in a small bowl and rinse in that. You have your 10gal pretty close to where it should be fish-limit, so I wouldn't add any fish unless you get a larger tank. Your barb may pick on the other fish so watch him closely. I would really stick to the inch per fish (adult inches) on a small tank they are really harder to maintain. I really think the new tank and overfeeding caused your cloudiness.

  • No Jeff, I have not had my tap water tested yet. I wouldn't think that my substrate is causing the problem because it's just the normal bagged stuff that they sell in the LPS. How would I be able to tell if it had silicate in it? And I don't understand why my tank is "weird and wonderful", all I have in it that is "weird" is a crab, why would that cause problems? My barb is actually doing really well. I had 3 barbs at one point but the other two died but this last one seems to be doing fine. Surprisingly he doesn't chase ANY of the other fish in the tank. My gourami is what does all the chasing. Today I am thoroughly cleaning all my plastic plants, scrubbing the tank walls, and doing a 30% water change. I'll tell you how it goes. Thanks for your help.

  • Sorry jay.. Just making sure you didn't have any silica sand as substrate and your tap water checked out...I know you have been working hard to keep thing normal shall we as you said and we will see how it goes...just do me a favor before you do some tank maintenance and test your tank water...then make some notes Ok...good luck..

  • Jeff is right about the silicate sand. People use it in Marine tanks. Also it is sometimes used in Lake T tanks to raise the PH. Crushed coral can also give your tropicals problems unless they are African rift fish that like the really high ph. I use if for Mbuna Lake Malawi fish. Your LFS won't always clue you in on this. Sometimes their temp help just doesn't know if it is for Marine of Freshwater fish. At one LFS by me the people don't even know which African Lake the fish are from!(It makes a big difference).

  • Actually I think Silicate sand is the marine sand. Jeff is this what you are referring to? I know builders sand is not a good idea because it is supposed to pack down too much and be heavy. I have been checking out sand lately and the best type is supposed to be filtration sand. I haven't been able to find out where you get it. Some brackish people I know use play sand from home depot.

  • I am just trying to narrow the field down a bit...cloudy water, diatoms,high nitrates,and what have you...Besides you never know what they are selling at your LPS..could be play sand(real high in silicates) for all we know...

  • That's what I was worried about when they said play sand. I looked at my LFS and all I could find was Marine sand (checked dictionary not silicate which is quartz-like). The builders sand is supposed to have toxic additives also, but I am sure the LFS stores wouldn't sell that. I may do a brackish tank this fall or someday a Lake T shell dweller tank so I am really trying to figure out where to get good sand. I guess a sand substrate is not an easy way to go and need to be checked out thoroughly for potential problems.

  • Jay sorry if I took this off track of your problem, but your questions help me too. If your LFS person checked your water for you once, maybe you could sneak a little tap in there and ask her nicely to check it for you. The water parameters will really help Jeff or anyone else trying to solve your tank problem.

  • Okay, I cleaned the tank walls, did a 30% water change, and scrubbed all of my plants in running water outside the tank. Even after all that the water doesn't look much clearer. Any ideas? I haven't been to my LPS yet and probably won't for a couple of days. I'll let you know when I get my tap water tested though. Thanks again.

  • OK did well...lets wait and see what happens in a few days...keep testing your water and make notes of your obsevations..chin up lad..we aren't done yet!!

  • Time to throw my 2 cents in...for what it's worth. If you have to start over (sorry - I hope it doesn't come to that)...but IF you do, I have found from past experience that improperly cleaned gravel often causes cloudy water problems. Once I started BOILING the gravel (yes, boil it in a big pot - like soup!) and of course, rinsing it within an inch of its life (before boiling it), I never had another cloudy water problem. But of course, that's at tank set-up time, and I hope it doesn't come to that!

  • Here's an update: I have algae all over my tank again, and all over my plants (which I cleaned just a week ago). I really don't want to have to clean my plants every week to keep them looking decent, it seems excessive. My water isn't too cloudy. I've decided I can live with my somewhat cloudy water, it's okay. A little not for Julia Gill though; you bring up a good point. I really didn't clean my gravel very well when I got it. Maybe that IS causing the problem. Probably would be a bad idea to try taking out all my gravel to boil it and put it back in. Thanks for your input Julia. What can I do about my algae though? It's really pissing me off. Should I limit the amount of ambient light and/or hood light it receives? Right now I only have the hood light on from about 4-10 PM. Should I not use it at all or what? Thanks for any additional help you all can provide.

  • Hey jay. I think Ms. Gill was on to something. I've been keeping fish for years but got out of it for about 3 years. When I finally decided to set them all up again I was really excited and wanted to get them up. I didn't clean the gravel nearly as well as I should have. I threw the gravel in there and filled with water. Although it was cloudy at first I thought that it would settle and clean with the filter. I was wrong. I had to rip it all out again. Now boiling gravel can be dangerous as there can be air pockets inside the rocks with can make them explode. All I did was to slowly put 2lbs into a metal colander and slowly rinse with cold water until it ran clean. After doing that I had no problems once so ever with my tanks. I do have a large pleco in my tank (13 inches) but I have not had a problem with algae at all and actually I have to add algae tablets. I know this isnt what you want to hear but I would start cleaning the gravel.

  • ah..jay you must be getting tired huh...but hey you waited and now we have something...firstly...I do have to agree with ms gill..not thoroughly washing your gravel out in the first place may keep presenting you with that cloudy water...stuff just may keep leaching out's got to be really washed well before it goes in your should hear what I go through before a put flourite in(another story)...anyway...if it has not been washed I think your problem may should not have to live with cloudy water... the only way to now for sure if that's the problem is...get it out start again..don't feel bad I have done it many times... big washing this time( even get good quality new gravel if you have too 2-5mm nice natural looking OK.)..and no shells..wash till gravel come need to boil it...I have never boiled gravel...keep your filter media intact and start again..yep it sucks but this had been going on way,way too long....the rest we can deal with later...and remember all the cycling stuff we taught you...

  • Okay. I'll clean my gravel. I'm wondering exactly how to get it out of the tank and how to clean it. What am I supposed to put it in to rinse it until the water runs clear? Don't I need something with holes big enough to let water through but not gravel? And how careful do I have to be to get ALL the gravel out when I clean it? Do I really need to get every last piece out of the corners etc.? What should I do about the fish, plants, etc? If someone could write out a step by step plan I would really appreciate it. Kudos to Ms. Gill for her post. Maybe it'll fix everything. I do have one last question though: how come my water wasn't cloudy for the first month if the problem is the gravel? Thanks. PS- One more Q. What about rocks from my area? Can I put those in if I've boiled them? Any sure way to tell if I can use them?

  • jay...ok..first you will need a temp holding tank for your fish..(With the heater and filter)..Anything will work put a little salt into water from old tank to reduce stress(1 tbsp per 5 gal)..Next get your fish out...get your water out..then scoop out the gravel...clean your tank and get rid of the algea..rinse it all place a bit of your gravel at a time into a large plastic bucket and run a garden hose into it swishing it around with your hand...slowly pouring the water out a bit at a time till the water run clear..keep doing this till all your gravel is washed including any new stuff you might buy...your rocks I believe are safe right?(pour hydo acid on them if you have it or vinegar remember no fizzy) you can boil them then wash them off...when everything is safe to go back in the tank..fill it up(dechlorinate water)..Plus water your fish are your filter back in that you have in your temp holding area and heater etc...then wait for settling and temp to well I guess you don't have anywhere to hold them through cycling huh?...So you will have to really watch your water.. hopefully the filter media you saved will speed things up and keep a little in check...add some nova aqua to keep thing in check for will be taking a big chance with this on the

  • Wow. A lot of work! Why do I need to empty the fish and water out of the tank? Won't it work to just take the gravel out, clean it, and then put it back in? How big should I make sure the temp holding tank is for the fish (and crab)? And did you mean to put new salt into the water in the temp holding tank or to put some water from the 10 gal tank into the holding tank? I was a little confused on that part "anything will work put a little salt into water from old tank to reduce stress" . Thanks lots Jeff.

  • Jay the reason I asked you start over is.. It's going to be one big mess if you don't.. Plus you need to clean up all that algea...the temp tank can be anything like a 5gal pail for all your fish plus the crab,filter and heater...oh put some salt in the holding tank is what I meant...sorry jay I was in a real hurry when I did your post...good luck you will do fine...

  • Hey Jay. I just went through the same thing your going through. IM glad you have decided to clean out the gravel. The way I did it was to get a big metal colander (strainer like you put noodles in) and rinse the gravel about 1 or 2 lbs at a time. I just let cold water run over it until it runs clear (don't let any go down your sink, I had to tear apart my garbage disposal to get the gravel out) make sure that you clean the tank and plants well at this point. Like Jeff said pour some vinegar on the rocks you have. If it fizzles then don't put them in. that means that they will slowly dissolve in your tank and screw stuff up. And I have seen people discuss boiling rocks. I HIGHLY don't recommend this. If there are air pockets in the rocks they can explode. Explain that to the fire dept.(yes sir ...It all started when I started boiling the rocks...)Anyway at this point you should have everything out and your tank completely clean. This is a good time to think about running airlines or anything like that. Put the rocks back in your tank and decorate as you choose. Add water (put a bowl in the bottom so when your pouring water it diffuses the splash and wont mess up your tank) and treat it with a declorinating chemical. I suggest a product called WASTE CONTROL at this point. It adds bacteria and helps start the cycling of your tank. But this is your choice. alot of people are dead set against adding anything. After the temp settles then add the fish. Keep the lights off for a day or two and feed every other day. This will help keep the ammonia and nitrite levels down and help the fish with their stress. After that just keep a good eye on the chemical levels in the tank and wait about 5 weeks doing 1/3 water changes a week. Sounds like alot of work...well it is...but this is a hands on hobby. Personally I wont like it so much if all I did was look at it. IM always messing with my tanks for no reason.

  • steve..what the heck kinda rocks are you getting to blow up!...I have baked rocks in an oven at 500 degrees and hucked them it bleach water and never had them blow up...maybe stick with slate,quartz,lava rock,granite and onyx...I would avoid stuff like marble,limestone,dolomite,shells or sandstone...but stream rolled rocks are very nice...and what's with the waste control?...this stuff is a maybe as a complete last resort for not cleaning your tank..or if you are keeping big waste depositing amphibians.. but I personally wouldn't use it...

  • Jeff, Some rocks can have crevices that will trap water over long periods of time through absorption and then when heated creates steam and will crack or can possibly explode. Most rocks are not this way but it can happen. Rocks bought in a LPS shouldn't be like this. Its just a precaution. And the WASTE CONTROL is a product by Bio Systems. Its a all organic solution comprised of bacteria that help in the establishment of a organic filter. Its not a chemical.

  • ok..thanks steve..just been lucky I guess...even my lava rock didn't blow(yikes!)..and I would like to see what's supposed to be in that waste control stuff? it like septic treatment?

  • Jeff, If you remember my posts about my Nitrite problems I was worried and looking for a cure. I knew it was still cycling but nothing seamed to work. Not water changes or anything..andyway I got this at my LPS and it worked wonders. Made a believer out of me instantly. Its also organic so not really dumping in chemicals...check it out.. product

  • Okay, I'll follow your advice. How long will my fish be in my temp tank? When I first set up my tank it took like a week to stabilize the temp! The fish shouldn't be in a temp tank for a week, right? I am probably going to be using a goldfish bowl for my temp tank. How am I supposed to get my filter and heater to fit on the edge of a round bowl? Bend the plastic?;-) I'll let you know when I start doing this. It's going to take FOREVER to do. I don't know if I'll be able to manage it this weekend. Do I need to scrub my tank and rinse it out? Thanks once again to both Steve and Jeff.

  • I would scrub the tank and rinse it out. If you have all the rocks out and everything torn down then its just one more step and shouldn't take too your heater submersible? if so just let it lay in there. If not then get some rope, string,or duct tape. If your having problems establishing the temperature maybe you need to look at your heater. What size heater? what size tank? I always add water from my kitchen sink with a garden hose and a adapter that will fit on the sink (any hardware store for about $3) I can usually feel the right temp but hold a thermometer under the water to get it close then fill your tank. After you fill the tank and have everything in it add some Stress coat or some equivalent (something to take out the chlorine in the water) maybe add some beneficial bacteria ( optional) to get your filter started. You should be able to add the fish right after that. Just make sure that the water in your temp tank and in your other tank are close in temp. The fish will be stressed but no more then being in your temp tank..... (I wait in anticipation for Jeff to read my post and grade me accordingly)

  • OK so I read back in your post and realized that its a 10gal tank. Skip the garden hose and adapter...a clean pitcher will work fine. But like I said get the temp close. Oh yeah. But a bowl in the bottom so when you pour your water in it doesn't upset the gravel.

  • Hi jay..again sorry you have to deal with this but you are lucky it's a ten gal will be easy!...And Steve nobody grades anyone answer is wrong we all do things different it's what works for me thing ya know..jay about your stuff...maybe a small 3-5gal pail will work better anything that will hold water will work and give you somewhere to place your heater...this is only for the day anyway if you can't run the filter don't worry about it just huck it in there..we just want to preserve some of the bacteria established....your water temp you can either feel it with your hand or mix some warm water in and use a thermometer...but you are just taking some of the water out of your 10 gal and putting it in your temp pail or what have you...after that the water goes back into the main tank OK...all this will speed up the cycling...don't worry this is not rocket science you can do it...just work it should only take a few hrs to do...this time we will really know what is going on..ok..

  • Good idea Jeff another fish guy I know used a tub from Walmarts as a temp holding tank for his Oscar and pleco. His 55 gal got broke by a flying baseball or something.

  • Guess who? I am probably sticking my nose in here again in the middle of a lot of good advice, but I think we can get Jay fixed up quite easily and economically since he has such a small tank. (I just found out trying to post this that it is way too big.) Since it is important you hear this, it will be in many posts for completion. Sorry) But there are a few questions I need to ask. If you are experiencing this much algae and cloudiness (is the water green or white?....Green is greenwater algae, white cloudiness represents a bacteria bloom....your water probably contains an overabundance of phosphates, and with the high nitrates, all the water changing and cleaning is doing more harm than good. You are basically "feeding" the algae when you do a water change. From what has been posted, I would say the algae has a stronghold on this tank, and you only have one solution to get it straightened up. Also by all the cleaning and water changing, you are keeping the tank in the uncycled mode. First, I need to know, Jay, if you have broken the tank down yet? Where is this tank setting? Direct sunlight is a no no. And I didn't see where you had purchased a hood with a light. A cover for the aquarium is important to keep out airborne particles. And correct lighting is important for keeping brown algae at bay and keeping the tank healthy. It is my understanding that you only have about 4 fish in this tank, which is good at this point. At this writing, I can't remember exactly what they were, so if you could refresh me here, I would appreciate it. (This is a very long thread....hehe) I am assuming, too, that the substrate is just your ordinary packaged rocks or gravel from the lps. If this is the case, it is fine. Don't place any other rocks, gravel or sand that did not come from the lps in this tank. (Section 2 follows)

  • Until you get the tank balanced and cleaned properly, you will continue to have algae and cloudiness in this small tank. Bigger is better and easier to maintain in the fishkeeping hobby, but 10-gallons are easy to work with. It does take longer for them to become "balanced", but once we get you on the right track, you should have minimal problems in the future. Following is what I would do...... Pick a day when you have several hours to devote to this tank. Have on hand a "clean", "unused" bucket, some airline tubing and a pump. Put in this bucket "conditioned" water as close to the temp of the tank as you can. Place the airline in the bucket so that you have aeration in the bucket and net your fish into it. Place something over the bucket so the fish don't jump out. This should not hurt your fish. I have done this too many times to remember...... Break down the tank. Remove the rocks into another bucket, break down the filter, throw away the media inside and take out the plants. (I hope you have not gotten "live" plants. If so throw them away, they are covered with algae and cannot be cleaned properly enough to be placed back in the tank. And if the live plants were not established, the algae will fight them for food and the algae usually wins.) The rocks in the bucket should be cleaned several times. Do not use bleach or soap. The bleach will soak into the rocks and leech into the tank when water is re-added. The best thing to do with these is wash with real hot (doesn't have to be boiling) several times. Between each rinsing, use a strainer to strain them from one bucket or container to another. (Section 3 follows)

  • The plants need to be scrubbed with a toothbrush to remove any visible algae. A mild solution of bleach should also be used on these as it (1) helps break up the algae for easier removal and (2)kills any remaining algae that cannot be seen with the naked eye. Once the plants have been cleaned, be sure to dip in solution of "conditioned" water to remove any remaining bleach residue. Do this same thing with the pieces of your filter, scrubbing and rinsing any algae particles that may be attached to it. Again, make sure that "anything" that has come in contact with the bleach solution is rinsed with "conditioned" water. Clean out the tank itself. Scrub all areas. Rinse with bleach solution, then rinse well again with plain water. Fill the tank partially with water adding "conditioner". Swish very good to get all areas rinsed and free of the bleach solution. When everything is nice and clean, put it all back together again. Yep, you guessed it. You have just started over. Your fishies should be fine in the bucket for quite a few hours (I have even left mine overnight) so when you have the tank all set up again, new filters added and the temp up where it needs to be, you can return your fish. I don't ordinarily suggest adding "chemicals" to a tank, but with the problems of algae that you have, I would strongly suggest adding algae destroyer tablets made by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals to this tank. They can usually be found at most Walmart or LPS's, and they do work, while not hurting the fish or the tank. (Section 4 follows)

  • Now basically, you have an uncycled tank again. However, try as you might, it is very difficult to kill "all" the bacteria that is housed in a tank. By using the gravel that you already had, there will still be minute colonies of bacteria. You may experience some "white" cloudiness after doing this, but by not overfeeding the fish you are replacing back into the tank, the bacteria will multiply slowly as there will be no "catching up" that they have to do to keep up with the waste, and I think you will find that things will be okay. Your tank will cycle again, of course, so you will see some ammonia, high nitrite/nitrate levels again for a bit. It might be a good thing for you to invest in a couple of test kits so you can monitor these without having to run to the LPS every couple of days. As long as the ammonia/nitrite does not reach dangerous levels, your fish should be fine (since you only have 4 and not going to overfeed) and things should turn around for you. I know this is an awfully long post, and I hope I did not confuse you. Since I have returned to Badmans, I hope to be able to check the board a couple of times a day, and I will be watching for any further posts from you. Sorry, that I probably have created a lot of work for you, but sad to say, it just goes along with the hobby if you want to have that beautiful, sparkling tank with happy fishies. (The End)

  • Oops, I need to add just two more things. First, when putting the fish into the bucket, DO NOT use any of the water from the tank. And clean your net after netting them into the bucket with "new" conditioned water. Otherwise, you are just transferring the algae from one place to another. Secondly, don't worry about a heater in the bucket. Unless it is 60 degrees in your house, they will be fine. Okay, I am done for sure now. Again, I will apologize for being sooooo windy....Cya

  • thanks..kick...just some history...this has not been a new thing for jay...this has been going on forever it seems..all the things you mentioned have already be talked about and exhausted to no end..and I agree with all of what you said...but I guess we finally decided to start from the start again( ending poor jays frustration)...And further to the algae thing...I felt that it seemed mostly to do with what is on the decorations etc...and by using some of his old water(like you prefer he didn't) but with that big water change I felt it would not upset things enough that we couldn't deal with it...(trying to save some good bacteria for him)or as you said not use any of it and certainly I wouldn't have if I thought we were dealing with BGA or something to that effect...allways thanks for your imput...later Jeff

  • Here's some answers for Kick. The water ISN'T incredibly cloudy. It just isn't as clear as I want it to be. It's not like I can't see from on end of the tank to the other or anything. And it is white. I don't even know if it's worth it to start over again. This is a ton of work (and time) to just get rid of a little cloudiness. Or will it also help my algae problem? The tank is at the side of my room, away from direct sunlight. There are windows to both sides of it but sunlight never hits the tank. And I got a hood just recently (about a week ago). Prior to that I just had a grate-type-thing to keep the cat out. I am still unsure of one part; at the end am I supposed to pour back into the "new" conditioned tank some of the old water (what's in the tank right now)? And should I use a new filter or keep the one I have right now? Thanks again to all of you for your help. I really appreciate it.


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